Secondary game

• US 9,293,003 B2
• Filed: 03/11/2013
• Issued: 03/22/2016
• Est. Priority Date: 08/24/2006
• Status: Active Grant

• Current Assignee: CFPH LLC (Cantor Fitzgerald, L.P.)
• Original Assignee: CFPH LLC (Cantor Fitzgerald, L.P.)
• Inventors: Lutnick, Howard W., Alderucci, Dean, Gelman, Geoffrey M.
• Primary Examiner(s): Pandya, Sunit
• Application Number:
  US13/793,064
• Publication Number:
  US 20130324221A1
• Time in Patent Office: 1,107 Days
• Field of Search: 463 12- 13, 463 16- 26, 463/29, 463 39- 43
• US Class Current: 1/1
• CPC Class Codes: G07F 17/32 for games, toys, sports, or amusements
• CPC Class Codes: G07F 17/3244 Payment aspects of a gaming system, e.g. payment schemes, setting payout ratio, bonus or consolation prizes
• CPC Class Codes: G07F 17/3258 Cumulative reward schemes, e.g. jackpots
• CPC Class Codes: G07F 17/3272 Games involving multiple players
• CPC Class Codes: G07F 17/3288 Betting, e.g. on live events, bookmaking
• CPC Class Codes: G07F 17/329 Regular and instant lottery, e.g. electronic scratch cards
• CPC Class Codes: G07F 17/3293 Card games, e.g. poker, canasta, black jack
• CPC Class Codes: G07F 17/34 depending on the stopping of moving members in a mechanical slot machine, e.g. "fruit" machines

Abstract

In various embodiments, a secondary player may make a bet that pays based on aggregate data from multiple games of primary players.

Claims

1. A method comprising:

determining, by a computing device after a first player makes a first bet in a first game and the first bet has been resolved, that the first game should be used as a basis for a second game;

determining, by the computing device, a first state of the first game at a first point in the first game and a second state of the first game at a second point in the first game, in which a determination of a first payment to the first player in the first game is based on the second state;

presenting, by the computing device after the determination of the first payment to the first player in the first game is made, a first indication of the first state to a second player as part of the second game;

receiving, by the computing device after presenting the first indication of the first state of the first game to the second player, a second bet from the second player in the second game;

presenting, by the computing device after receiving the second bet, a second indication of the second state to the second player; and

determining, by the computing device, whether to provide a second payment to the second player from play of the second game based on the second bet and the second state.

2. The method of claim 1, in which the first game includes a sporting event.

3. The method of claim 1, in which the first game includes a casino game.

4. The method of claim 1, in which the first game includes an electronic game.

5. The method of claim 1, further comprising:

determining that the second player is likely to lack knowledge of the first and second states, and in which the first game is determined to be the basis of the second game in response to determining that the second player is likely to lack knowledge of the first and second states.

6. The method of claim 5, in which determining that the second player is likely to lack knowledge of the first and second states includes:

determining that the second player was not present at a venue hosting the first game at either the time of the first state or the time of the second state occurring.

7. The method of claim 5, in which determining that the second player is likely to lack knowledge of the first and second states includes:

verifying that there is no record of a presence of the second player during a time period relative to the first and second states.

8. The method of claim 5, in which determining that the second player is likely to lack knowledge of the first and second states includes:

verifying that the second player did not have a player tracking card inserted into a gaming device during some time period relative to the first and second states.

9. The method of claim 5, in which determining that the second player is likely to lack knowledge of the first and second states includes:

restricting determination that the first game should be used as the basis for the second game such that the at least five minutes has passed after the determination of the first payment to the first player before presenting the first indication of the first state to the second player.

10. The method of claim 1, in which the first state includes a decision having been made by the first player in the first game at the first point in the first game.

11. The method of claim 1, in which the first point includes a point after a start of the first game and after the first player made the first bet.

12. The method of claim 1, in which the first state includes an amount of money having been bet by the first player in the first game at the first point in the first game.

13. The method of claim 1, further comprising:

before receiving the second bet, providing an interface to the second player through which the second player may select the first game from a plurality of games of a same type as the first game.

14. The method of claim 13, in which the interface includes presented intermediate states in each of the plurality of games.

15. The method of claim 1, further comprising:

receiving a description of a possible state from the second player and determining to provide the second payment to the second player if the description matches the second state.

16. The method of claim 1, further comprising:

presenting a third state in a third game to the second player as part of the second game prior to receiving the second bet from the second player.

17. The method of claim 1, in which determining the second payment is not based on the first state.

18. The method of claim 1, in which the first state includes a solicitation of a decision from the first player and the second state includes the decision made by the first player.

19. The method of claim 1, further comprising:

determining odds for the second bet based on a plurality of respective decisions made by a plurality of respective players in respective games after each player has been presented with the first state.

20. The method of claim 1, further comprising:

determining, by the computing device, whether to provide the first payment to the first player based on the first bet and the second state.

21. The method of claim 1, in which odds for the first bet and odds for the second bet are different.

22. The method of claim 1, further comprising:

pooling at least part of money wagered in the second game by the second player with money wagered by other players to form a prize pool related to the second game.

23. The method of claim 1, further comprising:

presenting historical wagering data related to the first game to the second player.

24. The method of claim 1, in which presenting the first indication of the first state includes transmitting information indicative of at least one of a symbol played in the first game and a card played in the first game.

25. An apparatus comprising:

a computing device; and

a non-transitory medium having stored thereon a plurality of instructions that when executed by the computing device cause the apparatus to;

determine, after a first player makes a first bet in a first game and the first bet has been resolved, that the first game should be used as a basis for a second game;

determine a first state of the first game at a first point in the first game and a second state of the first game at a second point in the first game, in which a determination of a first payment to the first player in the first game is based on the second state;

present, after the determination of the first payment to the first player in the first game is made, a first indication of the first state to a second player as part of the second game;

receive, after presenting the first indication of the first state of the first game to the second player, a second bet from the second player in the second game;

present, after receiving the second bet, a second indication of the second state to the second player; and

determine whether to provide a second payment to the second player from play of the second game based on the second bet and the second state.

26. The apparatus of claim 25, in which the first game includes a sporting event.

27. The apparatus of claim 25, in which the first game includes a casino game.

28. The apparatus of claim 25, in which the first game includes an electronic game.

29. The apparatus of claim 25, wherein the instructions further cause the apparatus to:

determine that the second player is likely to lack knowledge of the first and second states, and in which the first game is determined to be the basis of the second game in response to determining that the second player is likely to lack knowledge of the first and second states.

30. The apparatus of claim 29, in which determining that the second player is likely to lack knowledge of the first and second states includes:

determining that the second player was not present at a venue hosting the first game at either the time of the first state or the time of the second state occurring.

31. The apparatus of claim 29, in which determining that the second player is likely to lack knowledge of the first and second states includes:

verifying that there is no record of a presence of the second player during a time period relative to the first and second states.

32. The apparatus of claim 29, in which determining that the second player is likely to lack knowledge of the first and second states includes:

verifying that the second player did not have a player tracking card inserted into a gaming device during some time period relative to the first and second states.

33. The apparatus of claim 29, in which determining that the second player is likely to lack knowledge of the first and second states includes:

restricting determination that the first game should be used as the basis for the second game such that the at least five minutes has passed after the determination of the first payment to the first player before presenting the first indication of the first state to the second player.

34. The apparatus of claim 25, in which the first state includes a decision having been made by the first player in the first game at the first point in the first game.

35. The apparatus of claim 25, in which the first point includes a point after a start of the first game and after the first player made the first bet.

36. The apparatus of claim 25, in which the first state includes an amount of money having been bet by the first player in the first game at the first point in the first game.

37. The apparatus of claim 25, wherein the instructions further cause the apparatus to:

before receiving the second bet, provide an interface to the second player through which the second player may select the first game from a plurality of games of a same type as the first game.

38. The apparatus of claim 37, in which the interface includes presented intermediate states in each of the plurality of games.

39. The apparatus of claim 25, wherein the instructions further cause the apparatus to:

receive a description of a possible state from the second player and determining to provide the second payment to the second player if the description matches the second state.

40. The apparatus of claim 25, wherein the instructions further cause the apparatus to:

present a third state in a third game to the second player as part of the second game prior to receiving the second bet from the second player.

41. The apparatus of claim 25, in which determining the second payment is not based on the first state.

42. The apparatus of claim 25, in which the first state includes a solicitation of a decision from the first player and the second state includes the decision made by the first player.

43. The apparatus of claim 25, wherein the instructions further cause the apparatus to:

determine odds for the second bet based on a plurality of respective decisions made by a plurality of respective players in respective games after each player has been presented with the first state.

44. The apparatus of claim 25, wherein the instructions further cause the apparatus to:

determine whether to provide the first payment to the first player based on the first bet and the second state.

45. The apparatus of claim 25, in which odds for the first bet and odds for the second bet are different.

46. The apparatus of claim 25, wherein the instructions further cause the apparatus to:

pool at least part of money wagered in the second game by the second player with money wagered by other players to form a prize pool related to the second game.

47. The apparatus of claim 25, wherein the instructions further cause the apparatus to:

present historical wagering data related to the first game to the second player.

48. The apparatus of claim 25, in which presenting the first indication of the first state includes transmitting information indicative of at least one of a symbol played in the first game and a card played in the first game.

49. A non-transitory computer readable medium storing instructions that, when executed by at least one processor, cause the at least one processor to:

determine, after a first player makes a first bet in a first game and the first bet has been resolved, that the first game should be used as a basis for a second game;

determine a first state of the first game at a first point in the first game and a second state of the first game at a second point in the first game, in which a determination of a first payment to the first player in the first game is based on the second state;

present, after the determination of the first payment to the first player in the first game is made, a first indication of the first state to a second player as part of the second game;

receive, after presenting the first indication of the first state of the first game to the second player, a second bet from the second player in the second game;

present, after receiving the second bet, a second indication of the second state to the second player; and

determine whether to provide a second payment to the second player from play of the second game based on the second bet and the second state.